Metal shears having a straight and a curved knife



may 2, 1967 K. GREIS ETAL METAL SHEARS HAVING A STRAIGHT AND A CURVEDKNIFE 4 Sheets-Sheet 1 Filed Dec. 4, 1964 METAL SHEARS HAVING A STRAIGHTAND A CURVED KNIFE Filed Dec. 4, 1964 4 Sheets-Sheet 2 -y W67 K. GREIsETAL. 3,335,791

METAL SHEARS HAVING A STRAIGHT AND A CURVED KNIFE Filed Dec. 4, 1964 4Sheets-Sheet 5 May 2 W6? K. cam-:55 ETAL METAL SHEARS HAVING A STRAIGHTAND A CURVED KNIFE 4 Sheets-Sheet 4 Filed Dec. 4, 1964 United StatesPatent Saar, Germany Filed Dec. 4., 1964, Ser. No. 415,901

application Germany, Dec. 5, 1963,

Claims priority,

v 9 Claims. 61. 83-566) The invention relates to shears which areespecially suitable for cutting thick and medium-thick metal sheets andwhich have a straight and a curved knife, the curved knife carrying outa cradle movement. A cradle cut with a curved knife requires a small oreven no overlap of the knives during cutting, which has a favorableeffect on the cut sheet edges. In cutting or dividing metal plates thismakes it possible to obtain straight sheets instead of curved sheets.

In spite of these apparent advantages cradle shears with straight knivesare preferred to the long-known cradle shears having a curved knife,especially in the use on shearing lines for rolling tracks in rollingmills on which sheet thicknesses of about mm. up to thicknesses of 40mm. are handled. The reason for this is a prejudice which exists againstcradle shears with a curved knife based on the knowledge expressed inthe art that such shears are only suitable for very specific sheetthicknesses. This is quite true for the known cradle shears having acurved knife and a stationary straight knife because when the cradlemovement of the curved knife relative to the stationary back-up knife isadapted to a specific sheet thickness, the cutting conditions change forthe worse if used for other sheet thicknesses. In fact it has to beexpected that for the very thick sheets the curved knife cuts no longerat a sheet edge but meets the sheet surface frontally. In the knownshears construction having a curved knife the cutting drives whichengage at the ends of the movable knife support are so coupled togetherthat the knife stroke and the cradle movement are always the samerelative to the stationary straight knife.

According to the invention the old construction of metal shears having acurved knife carrying out a cradle movement is improved with the objectof making it usable for all existing sheet thicknesses of a thick-sheetshearing line and to thereby overcome the existing prejudice againstthese shears.

A solution resides in the fact that the knife support of the straightback-up knife is made adjustable to different levels, which is known inshears without cradle out having only straight knives for the purpose ofnot exposing the roller track to a cutting'pressure or to eliminate thenecessity of making the roller track as a rocking support. Thisinventionemploys the height adjustment of the straight knife for the purpose ofmoving the backup knife far enough away from the curved knife which hasactually a fixed stroke and cradle movement, that also in the case ofthick sheets normal cutting movements are produced with respect to thecutting angle and knife overlap. In the case of large thicknesses thecutting knife needs to penetrate only partly into the sheet thicknessbecause the remainder of the thickness will break away thereafter in astraight extension of the cutting direction if the knife gap is properlyset. The invention makes it possible in view of the height adjustment ofthe straight backup knife to adjust these cutting conditions dependingon the sheet thicknesses, and one obtains by using a curved knife anegative knife overlap which extends over the entire sheet width, thatis to say the knives no longer need to touch at all.

The same improvement may be obtained according to the invention with asecond solution of this problem by starting from metal shears having astationary straight knife and a curved knife movable in a cradle motion,and by determining that the cutting drives of the curved knife areadjustable as a whole to different levels in order to be able to employthe curved knife for any sheet thickness to be handled with a mostfavorable negative knife overlap, to obtain a maximum knife opening, andto make metal shears having a curved cradling knife usable in itsapplication area independently of the sheet thicknesses. Inconsideration of the two above stated solutions the principle resides inproviding on metal shears having a straight and a curved knife anarrangement for changing the gap of the knives independently of theeffective cutting stroke of the curved knife.

In view of obtaining the least possible deformation of the sheet edgesduring the cutting operation it is desirable that the curved cuttingknife penetrates to an equal depth over the entire sheet width. In otherwords the cutting edge is to roll off uniformly on an imaginaryhorizontal line.

It is an object of this invention to provide a positive control for therolling movement of the cutting edge of the curved knife in order toobviate also the danger that the curved knife would exert in ahorizontal direction to such an extent a pulling or pressing effect onthe sheet that the sheet or the knife would slide away laterally. Forthis reason the invention provides for both solutions described abovethat the knife support of the curved knife is guided on one side in aninclined rigid guide and on the other side in a guide which is arrangedpivotably on the frame, wherein the inclined rigid guide correspondsapproximately to a cycloid which describes the positively guided part ofthe knife support under the condition that the curved knife rolls offduring the cutting movement on an imaginary horizontal line.

For further details concerning this positive guiding of the one knifesupport on one side as well as additional inventive features may bederived from the accompanying drawings and from the followingdescription of which as examples one shear is illustrated as cuttingfrom below and two from above. In the drawing:

FIG. 1 shows hydraulic shears cutting from below, in

. an end view.

FIG. 2 is a diagram of the hydraulic control.

FIGS. 3 to 7 illustrate different knife positions during a cuttingprocess.

FIG. 8 shows shears cutting from above: with a drive of the upper knifefrom a subjacent crank shaft, in longitudinal section.

FIG. 9 shows shears with a drive of support over two pressure rams,partly in end view, and

FIG. 10 shows a cross-section along FIG. 9 on a larger scale.

With reference to the drawing the shears according to FIGURE 1 consistof a frame 1 in which the upper knife support 2 as well as the lowerknife support 3 are movably guided. The upper knife "support 2 has astraight upper knife 4 extending horizontally and the lower knifesupport 3 has a curved lower knife 5 of arcuate shape. For the purposeof adjusting the upper knife 4 cylinder units 6 and 7 are inserted intothe columns 1a and. 1b of the frame 1 as maybe seen more clearly inFIGURE 2. The cylinder units 6 and 7 comprise pistons 8 and 9 which arecoaxially movable in separate pressure chambers the upper knife partlyin section and line IX1X in which may be supplied alternately withpressure oil and.

the upper knife support 2 and each comprises a cylinder unit 6 and 7between them.

To carry out a cut the knife support 3 for the curved lower knife isdriven by two horizontally disposed hydraulic adjusting motors 12, 13which are pivotally mounted at and 11, the motor operating over anglelevers 14, 15 and pressure rams 16, 17. Accordingly the cutting drivesengage at both ends of the knife support 3. This support is positivelyguided on one side in column 1a of the shears frame 1 over a pivot pin18 and sliding blocks 19 in a guide 20 which extends in the direction ofthe cutting movement with an outward slant. At the other side the knifesupport 3 is mounted in column 1b over pivot pins 21 and slide blocks 22in a guide 23 which is pivotably mounted at 24 on the frame 1. Theslanted guide 20 on one side of the knife support 3 has the followingsignificance. In FIGURE 1 the knife support 3 or the curved lower knife5 is located exactly in the gymmetrical center position, that is in theposition where the center of the cutting edge of the lower knife 5 hasreached its highest point during the cradle cut. In order to finish thecut of the sheet 25 pressed against the upper knife 4 on the piecefacing the guide 20 the knife support is raised slower on the left sidethan it is lowered on the right side by the cutting drive 13, 15 and 17.These differential speed relations are provided by the dimensions of thecrank gears in the cutting drive and it is assumed that the cutting edgeof the curved lower knife 5 rolls off for example on the horizontal lineillustrated by the cutting edge of the straight upper knife, the pivotpin 18 moves on a cycloid, and in particular on a shortened (stretched)cycloid, because it is located inside the rolling circle. The inclinedguide moves according to the invention approximately in a correspondingcycloid.

The stroke and cradle movement of the lower knife 5 is always the samealthough in the shears of the invention it is possible to work also withan oscillating cut, that is to say from right to left and from left toright.

In view of the height adjustment of the straight upper knife 4 it isobtained that during the cutting of a thicker sheet than that of thesheet 25 shown in the drawing the upper knife 4 is simply set to ahigher level. Even with an equal stroke of the lower knife 5 the thickersheet is cut because of the fact that according to experience theremainder of the thickness will break away after only partialpenetration of the knife. If it is assumed that the sheet 25 in FIGURE 1is the thinnest thickness, and that the cutting edge of the lower knife5 rolls off just on the level of the cutting edge of the upper knife 4which would amount to a zero overlap of the knife there is producedduring the cutting of thicker sheets of necessity a negative knifeoverlap, i.e. the lower knife 5 no longer meets the upwardly displacedupper knife 4 so that the cut sheet edges are rarely bent.

The invention is also directed to the further improvement and adjustmentof cutting drives which are independent from each other on the sides ofthe requirements of shears having a curved knife which is to be moved ina cradle cut. It is known to provide hydraulic cutting drives in orderto be able to adjust by unilateral lowering of the knife support beforethe cutting action any desired cutting angle. During cutting thehydraulic single drives are operated in parallel. In contrast to thisthe invention provides a control for the two hydraulic adjusting motors12, 13 by which after an unilateral partial cutting by the curved lowerknife 5 the two adjusting motors are coupled during the cradle cut by ahydraulic linkage so as to move in opposite directions. This eliminatescontrolling the two adjusting motors from synchronously operatingcontrol pumps in order to obtain a prescribed cradle movement so thatthe hydraulic mechanism is substantially simplified.

The hydraulic control is illustrated in greater detail in FIGURE 2. Twosimple, non-regulated oil pumps P1 and P2 feed each over a check valve30, 31 into a common pressure line 32 in which a constant pressure ismaintained by over-pressure control valves 33, 34. Equalizationcontainers 35 36 which are fed by air pressure and manometers 37, 38 areconnected to the pressure line 32. To the pressure line 32 are alsoconnected four magnetic valves 39-42. The return lines 43-46 lead fromthese valves to the storage tank 47.

The valves 39 and 42 control over lines 48, 49 or 50, 51 the cylinderunits 6 7 for the height adjustment of the upper knife support 2. Valves40, 41 serve in cooperation with magnetic valves 52, 53 connectedthereafter to provide a random actuation of the adjusting motors 12, 13.The additional magnetic valve 34 in the connecting line 55 between thefunctionally corresponding pressure chambers 12a and 13a of theadjusting motors 12, 13 is provided for the purpose of producing thehydraulic linkage between the two adjusting motors so as to allow themto operate exactly in opposition during the cradle cut. The operation inopposite directions means here that the one adjusting motor lowers thelower knife support 3 while the other one raises it on its connectionside. The operation and valving sequence of the hydraulic controlaccording to FIGURE 2 for a cut from left to right according to FIGURES3 through 7 is explained hereafter, wherein the actuation of the valves39 through 42 is illustrated by the letters A, B, T and P for the inletsand outlets designating the connection of the passage. The other valves52 through 54 are open only when they are excited. In order to move fromthe neutral center position shown in FIGURE 2 into the starting positionof FIGURE 3 the valves 40, 41 are switched to PA, AT and the valves 52,53 are excited. In this way the lower knife support 3 is raised by theadjusting motor 12 and is lowered on the other side by the adjustingmotor 13 without impeding the free input of a sheet 25 (FIGURE 3). Afterthis all the valves are again without current.

When a cut is to be carried out, first the upper knife support 2 islowered just above the sheet 25 into the position of FIGURE 4. Valve 39is now switched to PB, AT and valve 42 to PA, BT. In view of the factthat into the lines 49 and 51 serving as return flow lines volume flowvalves 56, 57 are connected, a parallel movement of the two parallelpiston sets 8, 9 is assured.

For starting the cut the curved lower knife must be raised by theadjusting motor 12 on the left side (FIG. 5). For this purpose valve 40is switched to PA, BT and valve 52 is excited.

From the start of the cut the cradle cut begins in that the cutting edgeof the lower knife 5 rolls off on the cutting edge of the upper knife 4in the case where the sheet has the smallest thickness. When thethickness is larger the upper knife 4 is set to a higher level, but therolling movement of the lower knife 5 remains on the same horizontalline so that the knives do not touch during the cutting action.

During the cradle cut the circuit connection is as follows: Valve 40 toPB, AT; valve 41 to 'PB, AT, valve 54 excited. The pressure goes fromvalve 40 over line 58 to the pressure chamber 12b of the adjusting motor12, which operates to lower the lower knife 5. The oil displaced frompressure chamber 12a cannot flow over valve 40 to the return flow line44, as valve 52 prevents the return flow. The displaced oil may flowover the open valve 54 to the pressure chamber 13a of the adjustingmotor 13 and acts against its piston so that the lower knife 5 is raisedon the right side. The oil displaced from pressure 13b flows off throughvalve 41 and the return flow line 45 while line 55 is closed by theclosed valve 53 with respect to the pressure line 32 although valve 41is actually open through PB. In this manner a hydraulic linkage isobtained in a simple manner by opposite connection of the lines 55leading to the functionally corresponding pressure chambers '12a and 13aand by simultaneous closing of these lines against the return flow andthe pressure source.

After the completed cradle cut (FIGURE 6) the upper knife 4 is raisedagain and the lower knife 5 is lowered on the right side (FIGURE 7) inorder to release the sheet. The connection for this is as follows: Valve39 to PA, BT, valve 41 to PA, BT, valve 42 to PB, AT, valve 53 excited.The next cut may now take place from right to left in that the valves 39through 42 are appropriately not connected in the other direction. Whenthe next cut is to be carried out again from left to right theconnection must be made to cradle cut according to the knife position ofFIGURE 7 whereby the starting position according to FIGURE 3 isobtained.

The shears of the invention is unusual also due to its small height.This is provided by the cutting drive over the angle levers 14, in thatthe hydraulic adjusting motors 12, 13 may be arranged horizontally.Furthermore the intermediate connection of the angle levers 14, 15between the adjusting motors 12, 13 and the pressure rams 16, 17 has thepurpose of converting the uniform movement of the piston rods of theadjusting motors over crank gears into a displacement of the pressurerams 16, 17 following the sine law in the sense that during the cradlecut one side of the curved knife returns with an acceleration and theother side moves upwardly with a retardation whereby the rolling off ofthe curved knife 5 on a horizontal line and thus a uniform penetrationdepth of this knife over the entire sheet width is assured. Due to theadjustability of the straight upper knife 4 in adapting it to thedifferent sheet thicknesses the play of movement of the lower knife 5relative to the stroke and cradle cut may be maintained always equalwithout creating a variation in the cutting angle at the start as wellas in the further course of the cutting conditions. This produces with avery simple control of the separate cutting drives the possibility ofemploying shears with a curved cradle knife for cutting sheets of verydifferent thicknesses.

Instead of determining the stroke and cradle movement of the lower knife5 which could be obtained for example by terminal switches at the upperknife support 2 it lies within the scope of the invention to adapt withmore refined hydraulic controls or also with laterally separatemechanical cutting drives the cutting conditions by stroke displacementor parallel displacement of lower knife 5 to varying sheet thicknessesand thus eliminate the height adjustment of the. upper knife 4. Withreference to the cutting course of FIGURES 3 through 7 the lower knife 5would have to be lifted from the position of FIGURE 3 with a stationaryupper knife 4 first parallel to itself into the relative position to theu per knife according to FIG- URE 4. Thereafter follows as alreadydescribed, the starting cut according to FIGURE 5, the cradle cutthrough FIGURE 6 and the return pull according to FIGURE 7 wherein againa stroke displacement of the lower knife downwardly is added in order toreturn to the starting position. In this process the sheet 25, which isa thin sheet and which lies in FIGURE 3 on the roller track, is liftedrelatively strongly by the lower knife 5 while a thicker sheet is liftedless. Therefore, shears accord ing to FIGURE 1 with height adjustableupper knife 4 is preferable with substantially varying sheet thicknessesbecause here the lifting of the sheet from the track may be adjusted,depending on the adjustment of the upper knife, to a very small amount.

In the shears according to FIGURE 8 the upper knife support 200 isslideably mounted in the columns 1a and 1b of the frame. The lower knifesupport 30ft is stationary. The upper knife 400 is curved and lowerknife 500 is straight.

In order to set the upper knife 409 to a rolling motion which is asstraight as possible the upper knife support 200 is guided on one sidein a rigid guide 220 which is inclined in the direction of the cuttingplane and which is supported by the column 112 of the frame. On theother side an inclined guide 223 is mounted pivotably at 224 in thecolumn 1a, the guide 223 yielding against a residually acting returnforce of a hydraulic cylinder 60 with a piston rod 61 during the cuttingmovements of the upper knife support 200'. Due to this and because thehorizontal component of the cutting force is directed to the rigid guide220 the two guide rollers 62, 63 of the upper knife support 200 arealways in contact with their guides 200 and 223.

A lower crank shaft 64 with the crank pins 64a and 64b provides themovement of the upper knife support 260 and tension rods 65, 66respectively are mounted on the crank pins. The tension rods engage attheir upper ends the two pins 67a and 67b of a common shaft 67 mountedin upper knife support 200. According to the r invention the tension rodeyes 65a, 65b and 66a, 66b are mounted pivotably on one side at thecrank shaft pins 64a, 64b and on the other side at the pins 67a, 67b ofthe common shaft 67 designed as an eccentric shaft, the eccentric shaft67 being driven so that it may rotate and that it may also be locked.

The pivotal connection of the tension rods 65, 66 was provided withrespect to the cradle cutting movements of the upper knife support 200.The eccentric shaft 67 with its eccentric pins 67a, 67b which is drivenrotatably in a self locking manner over a worm gear drive 69, 70

arranged in the upper knife support 260 serves for the strokedisplacement of the upper knife 400 relative to the stationary straightlower knife 500. This construction is known in flying shears as miscutcontrol but in that case the eccentric shaft is abruptly displacedbetween two dead center point positions of the eccentricity position inorder to displace the stroke of one knife to a distance from the otherone in which no longer any cuts may be carried out. This principle isemployed within the scope of the invention for adjustable strokedisplacements in order to be able to adjust the cutting angle of thecurved upper knife 4% to changing sheet thicknesses.

The rolling cut shears illustrated in FIGURE 9 has two rams 72, 73 forthe drive of the upper knife support 71 which are mounted in the frameand are moved by two parallel crank shafts 74, 75. At the frame arearranged again a rigid inclined guide 220 and a yielding guide 223 forthe rollers 62, 63 mounted in the upper knife support 71. The rigidguide 220 is curved in the embodiment of FIGURE 9 so as to correspond tothe course of the cycloids described by the momentary contact pointbetween the roller 63 and the guide 220 in case the curved upper knife401 would roll off on a straight line. This rolling off is thereforepositively provided by the form of the guide 220.

In the shears according to FIGURE 9 the frame is subdivided into theupper part 76 which receives the entire cutting part and into the lowerpart 77 with the lower knife 561. For the stroke displacement the upperpart is displaceable in height relative to the point 77 associated withthe lower knife 561 together with the cutting drive '72 to 75. For thispurpose the shears are designed similar to the case of rollerstraightening machines in two parts with four tie rods 78 connecting theframe parts 76, 77, the tie rods cooperating each with a setting deviceas may be seen on a larger scale in FIGURE 10.

Each tie rod 73 has at the upper end a screw part 78a with a pressurenut 7% provided with worm gear teeth 7% into which a worm S0 meshes. Allthe worms 80 are driven together by a motor over a conventional driveand over connecting shafts. In the end of each tension rod 78 a pin 81is fixed as guide for a package of plate springs 82 which act upon anadjustable abutment 84 threaded into a closure member 83 and pulling theupper part 76 of the frame upwardly against the pressure nut 79. Thistype of balancing is also known in straightening machines.

When the open interval of the tie rods 78 transversely of the knives 461and 501 is made large enough the rolling cut shears of FIGURE 9 may beemployed as splitting shears in shearing lines because due to the strokedisplacement of the invention the knife movement may be so set that noovercutting of the knives is produced and a deformation of the cut sheetedges is avoided.

It may further be seen from FIGURE 9 that the upper knife 401 extendswith its cutting edge at the left end which opposes the sheet advanceduring the application as splitting shears more in the rearwarddirection with respect to the knife curvature. This is necessary so thatthe end of the upper knife remains at the end of the cradle cuttingmovement outside of the thickest sheets to be handled.

What is claimed is:

1. Heavy duty shears for shearing metal plates comprising a housing, anupper knife support carried in said housing, an upper cutting knifemounted on said upper knife support, a lower knife support carried insaid housing, a lower knife mounted on said lower knife support, one ofsaid knives being straight and the other knife being curved, said knifesupport of said curved knife being guided on one side by an inclinedrigid guide, two crank drive means operatively connected to the knifesupport at a distance from each other carrying said curved knife forimparting a reciprocating rocking movement to said knife support foreffecting a cutting stroke in cooperation with said straight knifemounted in a relatively fixed position, and adjusting means for movingthe level of one of said knives in a vertical direction normal to itsoriginal level and relative to said other knife without changing thecutting movement of said curved knife.

2. Heavy duty shears according to claim 1 wherein the knife support ofthe straight knife is adjustable to different levels.

3. Heavy duty shears according to claim 1 wherein the cutting drives ofthe curved knife are adjustable as a unit when the straight knife isstationary.

4. Heavy duty shears according to claim 3 wherein the knife support ofthe curved knife is guided on one side in an inclined rigid guide and onthe other side in a guide mounted piv-otably in the housing, saidinclined rigid guide corresponding approximately to the cycloid curvedescribed by the positively guided part of the knife support subject toa rolling-off of the curved knife on an imaginary horizontal line duringthe cutting operation.

5. Heavy duty shears according to claim 1 wherein the Cit 3 cuttingdrives are operable selectively either individually or together.

6. Heavy duty shears according to claim 5 having hydraulic cuttingdrives and including a control arrangement for the two hydraulicadjusting motors whereby after a unilateral starting out of. the curvedknife the two adjusting motors are coupled in opposition through ahydraulic linkage during the cradle cut.

7. Heavy duty shears according to claim 6 wherein the two adjustingmotors are disposed horizontally and are operably connected by a pair ofangle levers to a pair of pressure rams for moving the curved knifeduring the cradle cut on one side downwardly with an acceleration and onthe other side upwardly with a retardation.

8. Heavy duty shears according to claim 4 including a curved upper knifeand an upper knife support driven by a lower crank shaft over tensionrods wherein the tension rod eyes are pivotably mounted on one side atthe crank shaft pins and on the other side at a common eccentric shaftmounted in the upper knife support, said eccentric shaft being rotatableand lockable in position.

9. Heavy duty shears according to claim 4 having a curved upper knifeand two pressure rams mounted in the housing wherein the housing partcarrying the cutting drives is displaceable in height together with thecutting drives relative to the housing part carrying the lower knife.

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ANDREW R. JUHASZ, Primary Examiner.

1. HEAVY DUTY SHEARS FOR SHEARING METAL PLATES COMPRISING A HOUSING, ANUPPER KNIFE SUPPORT CARRIED IN SAID HOUSING, AN UPPER CUTTING KNIFEMOUNTED ON SAID UPPER KNIFE SUPPORT, A LOWER KNIFE SUPPORT CARRIED INSAID HOUSING, A LOWER KNIFE MOUNTED ON SAID LOWER KNIFE SUPPORT, ONE OFSAID KNIVES BEING STRAIGHT AND THE OTHER KNIFE BEING CURVED, SAID KNIFESUPPORT OF SAID CURVED KNIFE BEING GUIDED ON ONE SIDE BY AN INCLINEDRIGID GUIDE, TWO CRANK DRIVE MEANS OPERATIVELY CONNECTED TO THE KNIFESUPPORT AT A DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER CARRYING SAID CURVED KNIFE FORIMPARTING A RECIPROCATING ROCKING MOVEMENT TO SAID KNIFE SUPPORT FOREFFECTING A CUTTING STROKE IN COOPERATION WITH SAID STRAIGHT KNIFEMOUNTED IN A RELATIVELY FIXED POSITION, AND ADJUSTING MEANS FOR MOVINGTHE LEVEL OF ONE OF SAID KNIVES IN A VERTICAL DIRECTION NORMAL TO ITSORIGINAL LEVEL AND RELATIVE TO SAID OTHER KNIFE WITHOUT CHANGING THECUTTING MOVEMENT OF SAID CURVED KNIFE.